Can there be a spirit of Gandhi without Gandhi? A spirit of MLK without MLK? The spirit lives when the flesh dies but the temporary must come before the permanent. God as a physical being generated a fatherly spirit. When he emptied himself and became human, the fatherly spirit remained. Jesus acknowledged this in John 4:24. Jesus generated his own spirit but it didn't blossom into its strongest point of inspiration and influence until he left earth.The spirit is not an individual but an idea or concept created by individual action and behavior. We acknowledge this all the time, and is an aspect of common wisdom, but we tend to make it something that it's not when we apply it to religion. It only makes sense that the greatest individual (God) would generate the greatest, most influential spirit.
These are just my thoughts and as far as I know no one else has articulated them quite the way I have. As you notice, I don't deny God as Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. I'm just putting my own particular spin on them.
The spiritual always follows the physical. (see Entry 1)
Rule of thumb: matter and energy are interchangeable. Are matter and energy the basis for reality? Thought experiment: how could God create all things, including energy, without first having energy? Thinking, which would be the first step in creating, requires energy. At the very least, energy has always existed.
God is an idea - an idea that animates matter and energy.
Without matter or energy, there is nothing. If you say spirit remains, than that's tantamount to saying spirit has substance.
Matter/Energy is the basis of Reality and without Reality there is no Existence. Existence within Reality occurred when Mind formed out of a chance Matter/Energy combination. For the first time there was something superior to Matter/Energy.
Though Matter/Energy can be considered permanent, it can also be considered temporary. This is due to its interchangeability, a constant mixing and re-mixing of possibilities. But when Mind formed, Matter/Energy took a back seat to Mind, which was permanent from its beginning. Thus Mind assumed control over Matter/Energy and was then able to contemplate the creation of the physical universe, our current Reality.
The permanent always follows the temporary. (See Entry 6)
Things have beginnings. The idea of an eternal past in which God always existed in the same form is a contradictory one. The eternal past implies that it moves backward in time endlessly. If that was so, then there would be no starting point from which to move forward in time. In other words, you can't get here from there because there's no there there.
A possible solution would be to introduce the concept of anti-time. Anti-time would represent a condition of matter/energy existence at its most elemental state. (See Entry 6) Real time (time as we know it) would begin with the elevation of mind over matter/energy. Time therefore is an integral part of the greater consciousness.
There is nothing wrong with chance. Chances are every chance will be realized. It's the nature of the universe.
God manipulates events not minds. God sways men's minds through the manipulation of events. God does not directly manipulate human minds.
The Spirit is the intersection of God's Mind with the Human Mind.
The first chapter of Genesis is an allegorical blueprint for the creation of God. God created the world but he also created himself. In Anti-Time, before the Beginning, God was only Mind and otherwise formless and void. No form, no substance, only Inchoate Mind. But Mind that was assuming control over Matter-Energy.
Perhaps the first phases of creation included the creation of a body to house the mind. But what was the point of a body if it could not be seen? So it was necessary to bring light into the darkness.
The Anti-Time Whirlpool of Matter/Energy was both a mindfield and a minefield. A mindfield in the sense that untold numbers of Mind were created only to be quickly destroyed in the hectic Matter/Energy Vortex (aka the minefield). God is the Ultimate Survivor of this epic struggle. Only He possessed the right combination of Mind/Matter/Energy to terminate the insane process.
God is the Original Permanent Mind. By gaining command over Matter/Energy (the basic of Reality and Existence), He has assured himself preeminent universal status for as long as he wants it.
But God craves mental companionship and is not afraid of equality. Because of how he came into existence (i.e., his present state), which was a harsh struggle for his very survival, he is by nature fiercely independent of mind. When creating lesser creatures, this is one attribute he passed on without regret.
Reality seeks Existence; Existence seeks Permanence.
In the grand scheme of things, God is the ultimate individual being possible in our current Reality (Existence).
Jesus is the unique Soul of God but his Spirit is Universal.
A recap: Matter & Energy - Old Duality. Constant state of Change (both permanent and temporary). Then: Introduction of Mind. New Duality: Mind assumes control over Matter/Energy.
God is the beginning of Existence but not the beginning of Reality.
It make little or no sense that God has always existed as Spirit. If that's the case, why create a physical universe? Why would God create something so inferior to himself? Is that the best use of his creative faculties? Wouldn't a spiritual creation make more sense? Why a physical creation at all?
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus, through the will of Spirit, and brother Timothy, to the saints and believing brethren in Christ in Colosse: Grace to you and peace from Spirit, our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We are thanking the Spirit and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, always praying concerning you…
…which, being present with you, according as in the entire world also, is bearing fruit and growing, according as it is among you also, from the day on which you hear and realized the grace of Spirit in truth…
…you to walk worthily of the Lord for all pleasing, bearing fruit in every good work, and growing in the realization of Spirit;
… Who is the Image of the invisible Spirit, Firstborn of every creature,
Paul, a called apostle of Christ Jesus, through the will of Spirit, and Sosthenes, a brother, to the ecclesia of Spirit which is in Corinth, hallowed in Christ Jesus, called saints, together with all in every place who are invoking the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, both theirs and ours: Grace to you and peace from Spirit, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
I am thanking my Spirit always concerning you over the grace of Spirit which is being given you in Christ Jesus,
Faithful is Spirit, through Whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord.
Paul, a slave of Spirit, yet an apostle of Jesus Christ, in accord with the faith of Spirit's chosen, and a realization of the truth, which accords with devoutness,
in expectation of life eonian, which Spirit, Who does not lie, promises before times eonian,
3 yet manifests His word in its own eras by heralding, with which I was entrusted, according to the injunction of Spirit, our Saviour,
4 to Titus, a genuine child according to the common faith: Grace and peace from Spirit, the Father, and Christ Jesus, our Saviour.
to know the love of Christ as well which transcends knowledge -- that you may be completed for the entire complement of Spirit.
for Spirit is my Witness how I am longing for you all in the compassions of Christ Jesus.
for you are all sons of Spirit, through faith in Christ Jesus.
But we have the receipt of death in ourselves, that we may be having no confidence in ourselves, but in Spirit, Who rouses the dead,
For there is one Spirit, and one Mediator of Spirit and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus…
…yet, if I should be tardy, that you may be perceiving how one must behave in Spirit's house, which is the ecclesia of the living Spirit, the pillar and base of the truth.
For which cause I am reminding you to be rekindling the gracious gift of Spirit which is in you through the imposition of my hands,
7 for Spirit gives us, not a spirit of timidity, but of power and of love and of sanity.
8 You may not be ashamed, then, of the testimony of our Lord, nor yet of me, His prisoner, but suffer evil with the evangel in accord with the power of Spirit,
All scripture is inspired by Spirit, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness,
that the man of Spirit may be equipped, fitted out for every good act.
There's only one to explain the concept of God All in All and that is God as Spirit will inhabit all living creatures.
Perhaps the most miserable kind of conscious existence is that of a disembodied spirit.
I John: good examples of how to explain God in Spirit and in Flesh.
The reality we live in is the same one God lives in.
If God were a Tree, what would be His Spirit? Think of God as a Tree and the Spirit as the Shade of the Tree. Just like the Shade would not exist without the Tree, even so the Spirit of God would not exist without God.
The Spirit does not exist independently - it's a byproduct, just as the Shade of the Tree is a byproduct of the limbs and leaves of the Tree blocking the light rays of the sun.
The Bible is limited in Scope but unlimited in Spirit.
The kind of free will we should believe in could be called Common Sense Free Will.
Man did and does invent God, and just like everything Man invents, He can at some point, discard it.
We should note that there is a fundamental difference between invent and create.
That which comes second is greater than that which comes first - but the second can't exist without the first, e.g. the first Adam and the second Adam, the earthly Christ and the risen Christ.
There is a tendency to think words are more important than actions. Words are inadequate conveyors of truth.
Confession is the first step to redemption.
Awareness is the first step to confession.
Correct information is the first step to awareness.
The Godhead is one person and the spirit that person produces.
The Godhead is one person assuming different roles throughout history and the spirit those roles produce.
I believe in two Gods, both of whom still exist. The first God (G1) is synonymous with reality and matter/energy (matter and energy being two sides of the same coin) and the second God (G2) who is the God we think we know and the God we can all agree on in many respects.
G1 began when reality began and when matter/energy began. In other words he has no beginning. Now we’re using the pronoun he only for convenience. This God is a definite It. He has no individual identity. He is part (or all of) indefinable matter/energy-based reality (IMER).
G2 emerges out of IMER. (See Entry 6.) This is the God we think we know and can broadly agree on. G2 is the ultimate being possible in our reality. He controls and manipulates matter and energy; therefore no other being can be or become greater than him.
G1 remains in the sense that reality and matter/energy remain. But he or it is of no consequence to us. On the other hand our current and continued existence depends on G2. G2 is the one that demands our highest contemplation.
Compensation -the Spirit grows as we age - Spirit trumps Mind and Body.
The Mind is gateway to the Spirit. The Mind is physical but yet transcends the physical through the agency of the Spirit.
The Spirit is not usually concerned with details. God knows all in Spirit. God is not tedious. We think in facts. God does too but only what's relevant and germane. I agree that God knows everything but He knows all in a spiritual sense. He knows in the aggregate. He knows specific details that he needs to know.
I have a lot of ideas about the Spirit but I'm finding it hard to communicate them effectively. My basic premise is that things are usually the opposite you think they are. For instance, most or almost everyone believes the spirit comes before the flesh. I believe the opposite. Flesh (or the activities of the flesh) generate spirit. Flesh is permanent, spirit is temporary. The activities of Jesus in the flesh generated the Spirit of Jesus. It was a brand new thing only possible because of what Jesus did on Earth. ...the connection (the connection between the flesh and the spirit) is made by reading and contemplating what Jesus taught and did and how to apply it to your own life, e.g., his admonition that it is more blessed to give than receive. Now to give is do something, isn't it? The spiritual part would be how your mind processed what Jesus taught and did and how it prompted the action.
"Suppose that process would manifest itself in a close study of brain activity, like monitoring brain scans? That is, would a Christian believer react to stimuli differently than an atheist?" I'm not too sure it it would. You don't even have to know about Jesus to exhibit his spirit. One of the more intriguing aspects of spirit.
The Spirit is the power of the mind to grasp ideas and to act on them (or put them into action).
How would you define spirit? The spirit is something that we all know but have not felt the need to define. It is truly hiding in plain sight.
The spirit is the power of the mind to grasp ideas and to put them into action. The spirit transcends time and place; it is not subject to heredity or environment. Works outside the law of cause and effect. Works independently at a distance. Can be entirely spontaneous. Can operate on little or no information. Can die and come back to life. Can live forever. Can disappear forever. Can disappear forever and come back anyway. Beyond understanding. Has no life in itself. Entirely dependent on the mind. Entirely independent of one mind or group of minds. Free to roam the universe. Can be everywhere at once. Can be nowhere at all.Will not exist if the universe is destroyed. Will return if the universe is reborn. Is of God. Is not of God. Without it there's no point in living.
My evidence is via observation and deduction. A good way to start is by trying to reconcile two statements that appear to contradict each other.
From the book of John:
1) I and the Father are one. John 10:30
2) The Father is greater than I. John 14:28
My contention is that the flesh generates the spirit and not vice versa. In the above quotes, the flesh is represented by Jesus or the Godperson and the spirit is the Father or Godspirit.
How are they one? The Spirit is the reflection of the Flesh and is therefore the same in character, standards and other abstract attributes.
How is the Father greater? The spirit is not limited in scope. Jesus does not have to be personally present for his spirit to inspire people to believe and follow what he teaches. It is done through his agents (disciples and/or written text) that teach what he represents.
I think the Arians believed Jesus was a created being and was therefore inferior to the Father. I don't agree with that but I don't see how you can get around the fact that Jesus' earthly body was created. The Bible describes the Spirit impregnating the Virgin Mary. The infant that was produced was done in a normal way except the means of impregnation. Seems to me the Spirit has to have some fleshly component or else how would it interact with human flesh? Here's what I think: prior to emptying himself, Jesus or Jehovah as he was known in the Old Testament, discarded the heavenly body he then had, reduced himself, for lack of a better term, to human compatible DNA, which interacted with Mary's DNA to produce a God Man. Is this a fantastic idea? Perhaps, but isn't it plausible when God created man, he accessed his DNA to do so?
Jesus told his disciples (in reference to the Spirit) he would send a comforter once he departed Earth. We have two analogies here, both using the concept of a blanket: 1) a blanket can be called a comforter, in this sense the Spirit serves as comfort in times of trouble and affliction and 2) the Spirit is used as a blanket statement, i.e, covering lot of ground without giving out too many details. An example of this would be the Spirit interacting with the Virgin Mary to impregnate her. No details, just a result.
Thinking about the Spirit is the work of the Spirit.
What space does your mind occupy?
Does your mind create your consciousness?
Can your consciousness be destroyed?
A human consciousness is a brand new creation!
Matter and energy, in one form or another, has always existed. They (it) are the basis for reality. In a sense, God is matter and energy, but he didn't become the God we know until he became conscious. In a manner of speaking, God created himself.
Matthew 18: 19 "Again, I assure you: If two of you on earth agree about any matter that you pray for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them.”
The above is an example of the generation of a spirit via the actions of a material being.
Is Jesus saying he will actually be in their midst or is he saying he will be there in spirit? I think it's the latter.
Excerpted from an email conversation:
Have you looked closely at the Lord's Prayer? Interesting choice of words. How would you interpret the following lines?
1) Give us this day our daily bread.
2) Forgive us our trespasses
3) As we forgive our trespassers
4) Lead us not into temptation
5) But deliver us from evil
I find them to be a strange combination of personal resourcefulness and personal helplessness. Do they mean exactly as they read or is the meaning to be understood indirectly?
I was answering your question on how to seek God and/or Jesus. It's in the line "Give us this day our daily bread." Nothing to do with food. I'm pretty sure God expects us to earn our food. Here's another insight that's new to me. The Lord's Prayer is based directly on Jesus's experience in the desert fasting for 40 days and 40 nights. Check out Matt. 4 before reading Matt. 6.
The Spirit of Jesus and Jesus are one; the Spirit of Jesus is greater than Jesus.
When Jesus prayed to the Father, he was talking to the Spirit generated by his previous existence.